Chapter 1375: Scramble for control
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Hearing Hugo’s question, the hesitation between Alfonso’s eyebrows and Yu’s eyebrows calmed down instead, “Last time Henry and I mentioned it, I thought it was an interesting proposal. It’s good to try something different.”
This means that Alfonso is indeed interested in "unstoppable miracles." Hugo was stunned first, because the glorious players all came together following the music. Neil, Fokkin, and Pedro are all pure musicians and have no interest in acting at all. Only then did Dro complain that the band’s activity time was reduced, so Hugo did not expect Alfonso to be interested in performances at all.
The reason why glory to death has always been impure in the eyes of pure rock fans is that music is the most fundamental factor. Hugo, who is the lead singer, is an actor. This is also one of the reasons. Many rock musicians and rock fans are devoted to music and are quite disdainful of other things.
But then Hugo also reacted. Alfonso’s personality was originally slick, and he was also willing to try different new things, otherwise he would not become a car salesman after giving up music. For El, Fogin and Pedro, Alfonso is the one who is willing to adapt.
The stupefaction on Hugo’s face was replaced by a bright smile. Hugo himself is an actor and singer. He naturally couldn’t understand Alfonso’s ideas better. "Good idea, so, what are you specific? Your plan? If you need it, you can learn from me."
When Alfonso heard Hugo's swift answer, the smile on his face was once again outlined, "There is no plan, but I just think this project is good."
Alfonso obviously knows nothing about the actors. Hugo nodded and thought for a while, "If you have any questions, you can directly ask Carl. You and him are familiar with some details. You can ask questions. Then, I will contact Tom to see how far the project has progressed. If necessary, I will ask him to pass me the script."
For Hugo, this is actually just a matter of effort. If Alfonso is really interested, based on the relationship between Hugo and Tom, Twentieth Century Fox, and DreamWorks, giving Alfonso a role is not a problem at all, and even Alfonso has a certain strength to hand over the role of the actor He is not impossible.
Since Alfonso is interested, Hugo is naturally very willing to help, "But I think you should talk to other people so as not to get everyone in a hurry." In fact, Hugo's subtext is to avoid his own previous situation, Hugo said Many things are hidden in his heart, which caused Pedro's dissatisfaction. For the band, communication is also very important.
However, Glory to Death was originally due to Hugo as an actor, which led to a lack of activities. If another actor is added... Thinking of this, Hugo can't help but feel a headache.
"I'm just interested. No one knows whether things can really happen." Alfonso smiled, and he could detect his ease. "But don't worry, I will greet Pepe and the others in advance. ."
"Do you need a steak? This is Samora just cooked, five mature..." Cameron's voice came over, and Alfonso stood up immediately with a warm face. Hugo glanced at Hugo with a strange smile, and then said to Cameron, "You came right, Hugo just complained to me, he is starving to death."
Cameron blushed in a word, and then Alfonso laughed and left.
As the night got deeper, Hugo temporarily left the work behind him and joined the carnival of his friends. After everyone was gone, it was already more than two o'clock in the morning. Except for the departure of Mr. Perfect and Charlize, everyone else stayed in Hugo's villa to continue the carnival.
When Hugo returned to the room on the second floor, Cameron was already asleep. He helped Cameron cover the quilt. Then he walked up to the third floor and dialed Rick’s phone. After receiving it, Hugo was taken aback, and then heard Rick's voice, "It just so happens, I'm still thinking whether the party is about to end now, and I'm going to call you."
Hugo laughed blankly, "I was worried that it would disturb your sleep."
"If I have time, I must go straight to your party to attend the party. It's just that I have held a few meetings in a row today. I am still in the company and I have not been able to spare time." Rick simply explained, "Unexpectedly, you I called me personally, why, what do you do?" Although Rick also has something to call Hugo, he will not forget that Hugo took the initiative to call him today, so he still asked about it first.
"It's not my business, it's Alfonso..." Hugo said briefly, "Tom is preparing for this project, right?"
"Well, it is true, but the script is still in the writing stage, and Tom attaches great importance to it." Rick clicked his chin slightly, but his thoughts drifted away. This is the first time Hugo took the initiative to use his contacts. Rick couldn't help thinking a little too much, "I'll leave it to Carl for this. I will say hello to Henry and Carl separately. Where is Tom?"
"I will call Tom personally after daybreak today." Rick knows Hugo well enough, and he understands Hugo's intentions at once, which saves Hugo a lot of trouble.
Rick couldn't help but touched his chin, "Hugo, you should know that if you greet Alfonso, then Kevin's plan will be realized." Although the most important thing is that "the unstoppable miracle" It's a Tom Hanks project, but Twentieth Century Fox has been working closely with DreamWorks on this project. So, Rick immediately understood the ins and outs.
Now that Hugo has helped Alfonso, it actually means that Kevin Pence's abacus has succeeded. Then Rick will lose some initiative when discussing the "Independence Day" project with Twentieth Century Fox. Of course, this is not the key thing, let alone the fatal link. Although it has an impact, it is almost negligible. It is just some psychological advantage. But for Kevin, this psychological advantage is what he needs.
Rick’s keenness is not surprising, Hugo slightly rubbed his eyebrows, "Rick, I know, this is the rule of social operation, I am not a child." Hugo is only principled, not a fool. Hugo let out a long breath, "But now I still have the upper hand, don't I? Since Kevin wants to complete his puzzle, why don't we help?"
Rick's heart sighed, Hugo's tone was still very gentle, even a little more tired than usual-after all, it was already early in the morning, but these words made Rick scream badly, he always felt a little bit What is going to happen. Sure enough, Hugo's next words made Rick stunned.
"You told me that Kevin is willing to pay me 20 million yuan for this work, and then use this to start a follow-up plan, right?" Hugo's words were gentle and quiet, and there was nothing special at all, but the content of the words was not. People can't help but start to get hairy, "Then, we will fulfill him, what do you think?"
Rick thought of Hugo teasing reporters several times for no reason. Hugo, who looked bright and friendly on the surface, would reveal his dark side from time to time. This reminded Rick of the "seven deadly sins" and " "Death row walk", how did Hugo show those dark characters?
Immediately afterwards, Rick heard Hugo’s gentle voice and said, “There is a box office dividend. I’m not sure what the amount will be, but I think you should try your best.” Since Kevin wants to take advantage of it. Everything comes to the realization of the plan, then Hugo doesn't mind cooperating, and then let Kevin give a good blood-not only the 20th Century Fox pays, but also Kevin also pays.
Rick took a breath directly!
It was the first time that the Lions opened their mouths to get 20 million US dollars in salary in 1995. Now Hugo actually asks for box office dividends, which is no different from robbery! You know, now that many actors have received 15 million US dollars in salaries, they basically don’t get box office dividends, only low-cost works like "Pulp Fiction" and "Life and Death", because they don’t have enough funds to pay the high sums. Remuneration can only be replaced by box office dividends. In the early 1990s, it was always relatively rare for actors to receive box office dividends.
Now, Hugo has gone a step further. It is conceivable how wonderful his expression would be when Fox heard this request in the 20th century.
Thinking of this, Rick became excited, quite eager to try. If everything is in sight according to what Hugo said, Endeavour Elite Brokerage Company is bound to take another big step forward. This is a big step forward for the company. Golden opportunity.
"But the script...?" Apart from his excitement, Rick remained calm, and he immediately thought of the core script problem. The current script, not to mention Hugo Even Rick himself is not satisfied, "I can't believe that Kevin will submit this script. It's incredible."
"I heard what Joe said," Hugo had obviously considered this issue, "Just do what you said, and you tell them that I am very picky about the script, the script must be revised, and then my role must be increased. If it's not the absolute leading role, I won't take it."
This...this is simply a completely big-name approach-of course, Hugo is now an absolute superstar, the top superstar in Hollywood and the world, he definitely has the capital to offer these conditions. It is conceivable that when Fox heard these conditions in the twentieth century, his expression was absolutely unable to remain calm. This is the humble and low-key Hugo that has been truly full of firepower in history, and it is also his first real exposure to a super-large investment commercial film. , The impact is almost unimaginable. Therefore, if Twentieth Century Fox is unwilling, then other companies are definitely willing to nod in order to cooperate with Hugo.
The excitement in Rick's heart couldn't help but began to jump for joy. He has already started gearing up. Confronting giant crocodiles like Twentieth Century Fox can make him excited, "I know, leave it to me!"
This is a battle for control and initiative. It is also a battle that changes the course of Hollywood's history. Who can gain the upper hand is really unknown!
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Hearing Hugo’s question, the hesitation between Alfonso’s eyebrows and Yu’s eyebrows calmed down instead, “Last time Henry and I mentioned it, I thought it was an interesting proposal. It’s good to try something different.”
This means that Alfonso is indeed interested in "unstoppable miracles." Hugo was stunned first, because the glorious players all came together following the music. Neil, Fokkin, and Pedro are all pure musicians and have no interest in acting at all. Only then did Dro complain that the band’s activity time was reduced, so Hugo did not expect Alfonso to be interested in performances at all.
The reason why glory to death has always been impure in the eyes of pure rock fans is that music is the most fundamental factor. Hugo, who is the lead singer, is an actor. This is also one of the reasons. Many rock musicians and rock fans are devoted to music and are quite disdainful of other things.
But then Hugo also reacted. Alfonso’s personality was originally slick, and he was also willing to try different new things, otherwise he would not become a car salesman after giving up music. For El, Fogin and Pedro, Alfonso is the one who is willing to adapt.
The stupefaction on Hugo’s face was replaced by a bright smile. Hugo himself is an actor and singer. He naturally couldn’t understand Alfonso’s ideas better. "Good idea, so, what are you specific? Your plan? If you need it, you can learn from me."
When Alfonso heard Hugo's swift answer, the smile on his face was once again outlined, "There is no plan, but I just think this project is good."
Alfonso obviously knows nothing about the actors. Hugo nodded and thought for a while, "If you have any questions, you can directly ask Carl. You and him are familiar with some details. You can ask questions. Then, I will contact Tom to see how far the project has progressed. If necessary, I will ask him to pass me the script."
For Hugo, this is actually just a matter of effort. If Alfonso is really interested, based on the relationship between Hugo and Tom, Twentieth Century Fox, and DreamWorks, giving Alfonso a role is not a problem at all, and even Alfonso has a certain strength to hand over the role of the actor He is not impossible.
Since Alfonso is interested, Hugo is naturally very willing to help, "But I think you should talk to other people so as not to get everyone in a hurry." In fact, Hugo's subtext is to avoid his own previous situation, Hugo said Many things are hidden in his heart, which caused Pedro's dissatisfaction. For the band, communication is also very important.
However, Glory to Death was originally due to Hugo as an actor, which led to a lack of activities. If another actor is added... Thinking of this, Hugo can't help but feel a headache.
"I'm just interested. No one knows whether things can really happen." Alfonso smiled, and he could detect his ease. "But don't worry, I will greet Pepe and the others in advance. ."
"Do you need a steak? This is Samora just cooked, five mature..." Cameron's voice came over, and Alfonso stood up immediately with a warm face. Hugo glanced at Hugo with a strange smile, and then said to Cameron, "You came right, Hugo just complained to me, he is starving to death."
Cameron blushed in a word, and then Alfonso laughed and left.
As the night got deeper, Hugo temporarily left the work behind him and joined the carnival of his friends. After everyone was gone, it was already more than two o'clock in the morning. Except for the departure of Mr. Perfect and Charlize, everyone else stayed in Hugo's villa to continue the carnival.
When Hugo returned to the room on the second floor, Cameron was already asleep. He helped Cameron cover the quilt. Then he walked up to the third floor and dialed Rick’s phone. After receiving it, Hugo was taken aback, and then heard Rick's voice, "It just so happens, I'm still thinking whether the party is about to end now, and I'm going to call you."
Hugo laughed blankly, "I was worried that it would disturb your sleep."
"If I have time, I must go straight to your party to attend the party. It's just that I have held a few meetings in a row today. I am still in the company and I have not been able to spare time." Rick simply explained, "Unexpectedly, you I called me personally, why, what do you do?" Although Rick also has something to call Hugo, he will not forget that Hugo took the initiative to call him today, so he still asked about it first.
"It's not my business, it's Alfonso..." Hugo said briefly, "Tom is preparing for this project, right?"
"Well, it is true, but the script is still in the writing stage, and Tom attaches great importance to it." Rick clicked his chin slightly, but his thoughts drifted away. This is the first time Hugo took the initiative to use his contacts. Rick couldn't help thinking a little too much, "I'll leave it to Carl for this. I will say hello to Henry and Carl separately. Where is Tom?"
"I will call Tom personally after daybreak today." Rick knows Hugo well enough, and he understands Hugo's intentions at once, which saves Hugo a lot of trouble.
Rick couldn't help but touched his chin, "Hugo, you should know that if you greet Alfonso, then Kevin's plan will be realized." Although the most important thing is that "the unstoppable miracle" It's a Tom Hanks project, but Twentieth Century Fox has been working closely with DreamWorks on this project. So, Rick immediately understood the ins and outs.
Now that Hugo has helped Alfonso, it actually means that Kevin Pence's abacus has succeeded. Then Rick will lose some initiative when discussing the "Independence Day" project with Twentieth Century Fox. Of course, this is not the key thing, let alone the fatal link. Although it has an impact, it is almost negligible. It is just some psychological advantage. But for Kevin, this psychological advantage is what he needs.
Rick’s keenness is not surprising, Hugo slightly rubbed his eyebrows, "Rick, I know, this is the rule of social operation, I am not a child." Hugo is only principled, not a fool. Hugo let out a long breath, "But now I still have the upper hand, don't I? Since Kevin wants to complete his puzzle, why don't we help?"
Rick's heart sighed, Hugo's tone was still very gentle, even a little more tired than usual-after all, it was already early in the morning, but these words made Rick scream badly, he always felt a little bit What is going to happen. Sure enough, Hugo's next words made Rick stunned.
"You told me that Kevin is willing to pay me 20 million yuan for this work, and then use this to start a follow-up plan, right?" Hugo's words were gentle and quiet, and there was nothing special at all, but the content of the words was not. People can't help but start to get hairy, "Then, we will fulfill him, what do you think?"
Rick thought of Hugo teasing reporters several times for no reason. Hugo, who looked bright and friendly on the surface, would reveal his dark side from time to time. This reminded Rick of the "seven deadly sins" and " "Death row walk", how did Hugo show those dark characters?
Immediately afterwards, Rick heard Hugo’s gentle voice and said, “There is a box office dividend. I’m not sure what the amount will be, but I think you should try your best.” Since Kevin wants to take advantage of it. Everything comes to the realization of the plan, then Hugo doesn't mind cooperating, and then let Kevin give a good blood-not only the 20th Century Fox pays, but also Kevin also pays.
Rick took a breath directly!
It was the first time that the Lions opened their mouths to get 20 million US dollars in salary in 1995. Now Hugo actually asks for box office dividends, which is no different from robbery! You know, now that many actors have received 15 million US dollars in salaries, they basically don’t get box office dividends, only low-cost works like "Pulp Fiction" and "Life and Death", because they don’t have enough funds to pay the high sums. Remuneration can only be replaced by box office dividends. In the early 1990s, it was always relatively rare for actors to receive box office dividends.
Now, Hugo has gone a step further. It is conceivable how wonderful his expression would be when Fox heard this request in the 20th century.
Thinking of this, Rick became excited, quite eager to try. If everything is in sight according to what Hugo said, Endeavour Elite Brokerage Company is bound to take another big step forward. This is a big step forward for the company. Golden opportunity.
"But the script...?" Apart from his excitement, Rick remained calm, and he immediately thought of the core script problem. The current script, not to mention Hugo Even Rick himself is not satisfied, "I can't believe that Kevin will submit this script. It's incredible."
"I heard what Joe said," Hugo had obviously considered this issue, "Just do what you said, and you tell them that I am very picky about the script, the script must be revised, and then my role must be increased. If it's not the absolute leading role, I won't take it."
This...this is simply a completely big-name approach-of course, Hugo is now an absolute superstar, the top superstar in Hollywood and the world, he definitely has the capital to offer these conditions. It is conceivable that when Fox heard these conditions in the twentieth century, his expression was absolutely unable to remain calm. This is the humble and low-key Hugo that has been truly full of firepower in history, and it is also his first real exposure to a super-large investment commercial film. , The impact is almost unimaginable. Therefore, if Twentieth Century Fox is unwilling, then other companies are definitely willing to nod in order to cooperate with Hugo.
The excitement in Rick's heart couldn't help but began to jump for joy. He has already started gearing up. Confronting giant crocodiles like Twentieth Century Fox can make him excited, "I know, leave it to me!"
This is a battle for control and initiative. It is also a battle that changes the course of Hollywood's history. Who can gain the upper hand is really unknown!
Hearing Hugo's question, the hesitation between Alfonso's eyebrows and Yu's eyebrows calmed down instead, Last time Henry and I mentioned it, I thought it was an interesting proposal. It's good to try something different.This means that Alfonso is indeed interested in "unstoppable miracles." Hugo was stunned first, because the glorious players all came together following the music. Neil, Fokkin, and Pedro are all pure musicians and have no interest in acting at all. Only then did Dro complain that the band's activity time was reduced, so Hugo did not expect Alfonso to be interested in performances at all.The reason why glory to death has always been impure in the eyes of pure rock fans is that music is the most fundamental factor. Hugo, who is the lead singer, is an actor. This is also one of the reasons. Many rock musicians and rock fans are devoted to music and are quite disdainful of other things.But then Hugo also reacted. Alfonso's personality was originally slick, and he was also willing to try different new things, otherwise he would not become a car salesman after giving up music. For El, Fogin and Pedro, Alfonso is the one who is willing to adapt.The stupefaction on Hugo's face was replaced by a bright smile. Hugo himself is an actor and singer. He naturally couldn't understand Alfonso's ideas better. "Good idea, so, what are you specific? Your plan? If you need it, you can learn from me."When Alfonso heard Hugo's swift answer, the smile on his face was once again outlined, "There is no plan, but I just think this project is good."Alfonso obviously knows nothing about the actors. Hugo nodded and thought for a while, "If you have any questions, you can directly ask Carl. You and him are familiar with some details. You can ask questions. Then, I will contact Tom to see how far the project has progressed. If necessary, I will ask him to pass me the script."For Hugo, this is actually just a matter of effort. If Alfonso is really interested, based on the relationship between Hugo and Tom, Twentieth Century Fox, and DreamWorks, giving Alfonso a role is not a problem at all, and even Alfonso has a certain strength to hand over the role of the actor He is not impossible.Since Alfonso is interested, Hugo is naturally very willing to help, "But I think you should talk to other people so as not to get everyone in a hurry." In fact, Hugo's subtext is to avoid his own previous situation, Hugo said Many things are hidden in his heart, which caused Pedro's dissatisfaction. For the band, communication is also very important.However, Glory to Death was originally due to Hugo as an actor, which led to a lack of activities. If another actor is added... Thinking of this, Hugo can't help but feel a headache."I'm just interested. No one knows whether things can really happen." Alfonso smiled, and he could detect his ease. "But don't worry, I will greet Pepe and the others in advance. .""Do you need a steak? This is Samora just cooked, five mature..." Cameron's voice came over, and Alfonso stood up immediately with a warm face. Hugo glanced at Hugo with a strange smile, and then said to Cameron, "You came right, Hugo just complained to me, he is starving to death."Cameron blushed in a word, and then Alfonso laughed and left.As the night got deeper, Hugo temporarily left the work behind him and joined the carnival of his friends. After everyone was gone, it was already more than two o'clock in the morning. Except for the departure of Mr. Perfect and Charlize, everyone else stayed in Hugo's villa to continue the carnival.When Hugo returned to the room on the second floor, Cameron was already asleep. He helped Cameron cover the quilt. Then he walked up to the third floor and dialed Rick's phone. After receiving it, Hugo was taken aback, and then heard Rick's voice, "It just so happens, I'm still thinking whether the party is about to end now, and I'm going to call you."Hugo laughed blankly, "I was worried that it would disturb your sleep.""If I have time, I must go straight to your party to attend the party. It's just that I have held a few meetings in a row today. I am still in the company and I have not been able to spare time." Rick simply explained, "Unexpectedly, you I called me personally, why, what do you do?" Although Rick also has something to call Hugo, he will not forget that Hugo took the initiative to call him today, so he still asked about it first."It's not my business, it's Alfonso..." Hugo said briefly, "Tom is preparing for this project, right?""Well, it is true, but the script is still in the writing stage, and Tom attaches great importance to it." Rick clicked his chin slightly, but his thoughts drifted away. This is the first time Hugo took the initiative to use his contacts. Rick couldn't help thinking a little too much, "I'll leave it to Carl for this. I will say hello to Henry and Carl separately. Where is Tom?""I will call Tom personally after daybreak today." Rick knows Hugo well enough, and he understands Hugo's intentions at once, which saves Hugo a lot of trouble.Rick couldn't help but touched his chin, "Hugo, you should know that if you greet Alfonso, then Kevin's plan will be realized." Although the most important thing is that "the unstoppable miracle" It's a Tom Hanks project, but Twentieth Century Fox has been working closely with DreamWorks on this project. So, Rick immediately understood the ins and outs.Now that Hugo has helped Alfonso, it actually means that Kevin Pence's abacus has succeeded. Then Rick will lose some initiative when discussing the "Independence Day" project with Twentieth Century Fox. Of course, this is not the key thing, let alone the fatal link. Although it has an impact, it is almost negligible. It is just some psychological advantage. But for Kevin, this psychological advantage is what he needs.Rick's keenness is not surprising, Hugo slightly rubbed his eyebrows, "Rick, I know, this is the rule of social operation, I am not a child." Hugo is only principled, not a fool. Hugo let out a long breath, "But now I still have the upper hand, don't I? Since Kevin wants to complete his puzzle, why don't we help?"Rick's heart sighed, Hugo's tone was still very gentle, even a little more tired than usual-after all, it was already early in the morning, but these words made Rick scream badly, he always felt a little bit What is going to happen. Sure enough, Hugo's next words made Rick stunned."You told me that Kevin is willing to pay me 20 million yuan for this work, and then use this to start a follow-up plan, right?" Hugo's words were gentle and quiet, and there was nothing special at all, but the content of the words was not. People can't help but start to get hairy, "Then, we will fulfill him, what do you think?"Rick thought of Hugo teasing reporters several times for no reason. Hugo, who looked bright and friendly on the surface, would reveal his dark side from time to time. This reminded Rick of the "seven deadly sins" and " "Death row walk", how did Hugo show those dark characters?Immediately afterwards, Rick heard Hugo's gentle voice and said, There is a box office dividend. I'm not sure what the amount will be, but I think you should try your best. Since Kevin wants to take advantage of it. Everything comes to the realization of the plan, then Hugo doesn't mind cooperating, and then let Kevin give a good blood-not only the 20th Century Fox pays, but also Kevin also pays.Rick took a breath directly!It was the first time that the Lions opened their mouths to get 20 million US dollars in salary in 1995. Now Hugo actually asks for box office dividends, which is no different from robbery! You know, now that many actors have received 15 million US dollars in salaries, they basically don't get box office dividends, only low-cost works like "Pulp Fiction" and "Life and Death", because they don't have enough funds to pay the high sums. Remuneration can only be replaced by box office dividends. In the early 1990s, it was always relatively rare for actors to receive box office dividends.Now, Hugo has gone a step further. It is conceivable how wonderful his expression would be when Fox heard this request in the 20th century.Thinking of this, Rick became excited, quite eager to try. If everything is in sight according to what Hugo said, Endeavour Elite Brokerage Company is bound to take another big step forward. This is a big step forward for the company. Golden opportunity."But the script...?" Apart from his excitement, Rick remained calm, and he immediately thought of the core script problem. The current script, not to mention Hugo Even Rick himself is not satisfied, "I can't believe that Kevin will submit this script. It's incredible.""I heard what Joe said," Hugo had obviously considered this issue, "Just do what you said, and you tell them that I am very picky about the script, the script must be revised, and then my role must be increased. If it's not the absolute leading role, I won't take it."This...this is simply a completely big-name approach-of course, Hugo is now an absolute superstar, the top superstar in Hollywood and the world, he definitely has the capital to offer these conditions. It is conceivable that when Fox heard these conditions in the twentieth century, his expression was absolutely unable to remain calm. This is the humble and low-key Hugo that has been truly full of firepower in history, and it is also his first real exposure to a super-large investment commercial film. , The impact is almost unimaginable. Therefore, if Twentieth Century Fox is unwilling, then other companies are definitely willing to nod in order to cooperate with Hugo.The excitement in Rick's heart couldn't help but began to jump for joy. He has already started gearing up. Confronting giant crocodiles like Twentieth Century Fox can make him excited, "I know, leave it to me!"This is a battle for control and initiative. It is also a battle that changes the course of Hollywood's history. Who can gain the upper hand is really unknown!
